Relations of Medusa to Kali and Kirthimukha and KaliMukha.

Observation made by Stijn van den Hoven

KaliMukha, Kirthimukha (temple faces) are identical to the Medusa and Kali imagery and seen in many other cultures as well as a fanged monster, mostly associated with serpents or serpent hair.

In meso american art she is Coatlicue.

Either depicted as a monster above doorways or in temple art.

I suspect this is a metaphor for time itself devouring creation. It later transformed into the Siren symbolism and mother godess symbolism but its origina might be the sun/moon disk with the two snakes as seen in Egypt.

The duality similarly represented in Ancient cultures.

I suspect the images on the Tiwanaku statues are a representation of ‘Ometecuhtli’. Male and female duality combined in 1 statue holding both. Allow me to explain why and what we actualy see here.


“(Aztec; Ome, “duality” and Tecuhtli, “Lord”) The Lord of Duality. This is seen as the Androgynous nature of the Spirit. He is represented as being joined with his spouse Omecihuatl (see entry by that name). Ometecuhtli-Omecihuatl is the Aztec Osiris-Isis, Joseph-Mary, Shiva-Shakti, or Samantabahdra-Samantabahdri. This aspect of the Spirit is seen Kabbalistically within Daath, where divine creativity resides. The conjunction of Ometecuhtli-Omecihuatl is called Ometeotl, the one androgynous spirit.
The dwelling place of Ometeotl is the Omeyocan. The children of Ometecuhtli-Omecihuatl are the four aspects of the Cosmic Christ: Tezcatlipoca, Huitzilopochtli, Quetzalcoatl, and Xipetotec. See Omeyocan, Tezcatlipoca.

These might well be the 4 directions.

Wordly conceptual and visual parallels in Greek and Egyptian cultures

Further interesting Parallels are there on the female aspect and its representation, the snakes, with Egypt, representations of Wadjet, as dual snake headed women which in turn is the later female aspect Medusa, the Minoan snake godess and Aztec Coatlicue.

The left figure from us is easily identified by most people as a figure. The right one is a figure to, with two snakes for a head.

We see the dual headed snake figure also in Egypt and behold, also holding snakes like Viracocha. There it is a representation of Wadjet. The female aspect of Duality.

Quite similar to Viracocha, yet the Egypt version is only the female aspect, while Viracocha is male and female combined. Now do you see the left figure on the Tiwanaku statue is this figure with two snakeheads?

Below the figure on the gate of the sun, Viracocha. He is a representation of male (sungod) and female (the snakes) in 1.

The Minoan snake godess is only female aspect of nature but in similar execution of overall ‘design’ .

It also shows on Isis on the Qetesh stele.

The lion below her as Leo is close to virgo, it links her to the Indian Durga, Brittania and other archetypes. (Shiva is male aspect) In modern times this translated to the red and blue Colour in occultism. Shiva and Durga are also seen as a combined God. Duality in 1, the universe. (Virgo/Leo and Otion/Taurus, sungod and moon, male and female etc)

Here below another Egyptian representation of Wadjet, the female aspect , compare it to the tiwanaku figure in the statues left hand. (right for you.) it’s the female aspect of the duality.

The dual snakes is the female aspect of nature.



It is important to understand that sometimes the female aspect is depicted as stand alone and sometimes male and female are in 1 image.

Examples of combined imagery, the two figures in tiwanaku statues hands, viracocha(male/sun) holding snakes (female/moon), young horus (male/sun) holding snakes (female/moon) and the sundisk with the two snakes.

Here below we see from the mochicha culture that predated chavin the disk of sun with the two snakes and priest on top. Again a duality, identical to the Egyptian sundisk in execution and concept.

Stand alone images of the female aspect are Wadjet in human form with two heads, Medusa, Coatlicue.

Now if we look back at the Mochicha culture we see this:

Or, at the Aztec calender stone…

The similarities are obvious. It’s the female aspect of nature.

Hindu godess Kali

So how can these cultures, Greek, mochicha, Aztec, Egyptian, Indian, that have nothing to do with each other come up with identical concepts?

Medusa was the crone stage of a triple moon godess. All that looked at her ‘turned to stone’ or, slept at night… Then she was ‘defeated’ by the sun solar hero Perseus. The Medusa type we see in many cultures exactly depicted the same.. WHY?

The easiest way out is to blame Jung archetypes.

Yet the visual execution is very similar in all these cultures. The fanged teeth, the tongue, the dual snake heads, the snakes for female aspect.

Shiva wearing the cobra like Egyptian pharaohs the uraeus.

Wadjet was depicted as a cobra. As patron and protector, later Wadjet often was shown coiled upon the head of Ra; in order to act as his protection, this image of her became the uraeus symbol used on the royal crowns as well.

Interesting.. The milky-way reference..

Quote Wikipedia:

“An interpretation of the Milky Way was that it was the primal snake, Wadjet, the protector of Egypt. In this interpretation she was closely associated with Hathor and other early deities among the various aspects of the great mother goddess, including Mut and Naunet. The association with Hathor brought her son Horus into association also. The cult of Ra absorbed most of Horus’s traits and included the protective eye of Wadjet that had shown her association with Hathor.

When identified as the protector of Ra, who was also a sun deity associated with heat and fire, she was sometimes said to be able to send fire onto those who might attack, just as the cobra spits poison into the eyes of its enemies. In this role she was called the Lady of Flame.

As the patron goddess, she was associated with the land and depicted as a snake-headed woman or a snake—usually an Egyptian cobra, a venomous snake common to the region; sometimes she was depicted as a woman with two snake heads and, at other times, a snake with a woman’s head. Her oracle was in the renowned temple in Per-Wadjet that was dedicated to her worship and gave the city its name. This oracle may have been the source for the oracular tradition that spread to Greece from Egypt.

The Ancient Egyptian word Wadj signifies blue and green. It is also the name for the well-known Eye of the Moon. Indeed, in later times, she was often depicted simply as a woman with a snake’s head, or as a woman wearing the uraeus. The uraeus originally had been her body alone, which wrapped around or was coiled upon the head of the pharaoh or another deity.”



Orion, Shiva nataraja with the milky-way above his head.


As mentioned above, the sundisk with two snakes, is not just a random image. It’s not only a sundisk.

It is a representation of the combined dualistic nature of the universe in 1 image.

It is the same concept as Viracocha (sungod) holding two snakes or Horus on top of Wadjet in hatshepsut temple.

Wadjets head just has disapeared as can be seen from steles on same temple. The snake body next to the stairs is still to be seen.

We have seen snakes on balustrades before in other ‘unrelated’ cultures.

To conclude, identical representations of duality span global cultures.

They not only share concept but also execution and visual representations that can not be ignored any longer. The fact that the Tiwanaku culture has visual similarities and cultural duality concepts executed also in Egypt, like mentioned above is worthy of considering the possibilities of a shared ancestry or cultural global contact and exchange by a previous civilization.

The bird and snake, or Hero and snake, is in my opinion the duality represented, male and female, sky (father) and earth(mother), orion and virgo, adam and eve, Shiva and Durga, Garuda and snake symbolism, hero figthing snake etc etc. We also see this symbolism of duality on the mask of King Tut.

For further reading I recommend the article the universal religion.

The universal religion of the world

Mycenean Sphinxes

Mycenaen Rosette – Rodakas



The rosette (rodakas in Greek) a motif that was widespread throughout Mesopotamia, Egypt and other ancient civilizations appears as well in many ancient Greek-Mycenaean jewels, among its other decorative uses in architecture and pottery (circa 1500 BC).

Mycenaean rosettes come usually in 6 or 8 or 12 leaves. They were made of gold and were used to decorate cloths for both men and women, sewn directly on them. They were also used in belts or as repeated motifs in necklaces, and as single decorations in earrings and rings.


I believe that the mycenean and minoan rosette is another shape for the sun.

We see this also in mediaval churches in form of the rose window.

Statue of Meryetamun, daughter of Ramses II, c. 1250 BC, located in the Cairo Museum.



J.-C. Poursat, Catalogue des Ivoires Myceniens du Musee National d’Athenes; Les Ivoires Myceniens, Athens, 1997.…/author/poursat-jean-claude/

One picture: Heraldically opposed sfinxes, Ivory relief. From the “House of Sfinxes”, Mycenae. Ascribed to c. 1300-1200 BC. Illus. 162, Higgins, Minoan and Mycenaean Art. Pl. 97, Taylour, The Mycenaeans.

Astronomical myth/god parallels between India, Sumeria, Greece and the Bible.

Krishna and his brother Balarama fighting Aristasura.

This post started of researching the parallels between Krishna stories and Hercules labours. The origins in my opinion, lay in astronomy. To the end of this post a story starts to emerge if all things and history is taken into consideration, that might rewrite current known history.

Hercules and Iolaus figthing the Hydra. (not the sickle and the club)

We know Hercules is orion, who is is helper, its Boötes

Quote Wikipedia: The name Boötes was first used by Homer in his Odyssey as a celestial reference point for navigation, described as “late-setting” or “slow to set”, translated as the “Plowman”

Quote Wikipedia:  Balarama, is also known as Baladeva, Balabhadra, Haladhara and Halayudha. The first two epithets refer to his strength, the last two associate him with Hala (Langala, “plough”) from his strong associations with farming and farmers, as the deity who used farm equipment as weapons when needed.

I hereby  Identify and link Krishna and BalaRama to Orion and Bootes, the gemini half brothers, like hercules + iolaus, hercules + Apollo and Cain + Abel.

We can see there are Parallels between India and Greece stories under disguise of different names.  Others have identified Shiva nataraja allready with Orion. 



The question that arises is was it just astronomy that was told or was there also a ‘real story’ of history behind these myths.

Krishna fighting Sesha is hercules fighting the Hydra.

The story of Enkidu and Gilgamesh slaying the bull of heaven is similar to Krishna and Balarama slaying the buffalo demon Aristasura.

It is also related to the Mithras myth of the bullslaying, which is astronomical in nature as well as this great book explains highlighting the meaning of the bull slaying statue and identifying scorpio, hydra, canis minor and the bull Taurus, the sun through the year.

The “twin brothers” is a reference to Gemini. (Note the red and blue colour, as explained in my article The universal religion.

Hercules and Apollo

A great article is also here on Gemini.

Krishna and Balarama

Cain and Abel

This story also relates to  Cain (Orion)  and Abel  (Bootes) story.

I noticed that Bootes was agricultural and orion with his cow and aries nearby husbandry (PASTORalism).

If the skies turn, bootes comes first and then gets “killed” by Orion. One brother that has animals (cain) kills the one who offers fallen crops (abel).

English: Cain and Abel, ivory panel from the cathedral of Salerno, ca. 1084.
Français : Caïn et Abel, panneau en ivoire provenant de la cathédrale de Salerne, v. 1084.
Dimensions H. 10.9 cm (4 ¼ in.), W. 22.1 cm (8 ½ in.)
Department of Decorative Arts, Richelieu, first floor, room 2, case 13
Accession number OA 4052 Info non-talk.svg
Credit line Charvet, then Castellani Collection; purchase, 1898
Source/Photographer Jastrow (2005)

Of very specific noteworthy mention here in above picture of that ivory tablet, showing the cain and abel scene, is the inclusion of that PILLAR. That is a direct reference to the sky (pillar of heaven) and thus to constellations again. The pillar of heaven is a synonym for the skies, like we see in Mycenae and the Asherah pillar great godess cult.

Now lets move on to interpret the Cain and Able story.

  • Cain the farmer, is Bootes
  • Abel, the Pastoralist,or shepherd, is orion

The stars/skies rotate. Constellations rise in the east and set in the west.

First Abel (Orion) sacrifices his best ram. That is Aries. Aries is the first constellation to go down the horizon. After that it is Orions turn to fall below the horizon.  Bootes rises after Orion and effectively “kills” Orion from the skies .

We can conclude like the romans woshipped Hercules, Hercules, the TRUE SHEPHARD OF ANU, is also the PASTORalist, the good shepherd (and thus by default the later Jezus)

Quote wikipedia: It was Cain, the agricultarilist, who Cain continued his wickedness in Nod: resorting to violence and robbery; establishing weights and measures; transforming human culture from innocence into craftiness and deceit; establishing property lines (which we see today); and building a fortified city. Nod is said to be outside of the presence or face of God. Origen defined Nod as the land of trembling (volcanic) and wrote that it symbolized the condition of all who forsake God.[8]

Nod was EAST of the garden of Eden. This is of suspected importance later.

The synonyms of the shepherd are clearly there. Both the first and new testament are astronomical stories. Although Orion as the shepherd (and not as hunter, we have to dig deeper in time into astronomy)

 Quote: Babylonians knew Orion as MUL.SIPA.ZI.AN.NA or The Heavenly  Shepherd (The True Shepherd of Anu) in the Late Bronze Age and associated the constellation with Anu, the god of the heavenly realms. Egyptians associated it with Osiris, the god of death, afterlife and rebirth.


Strengthening the Hercules/Orion connection.

Hercules/ Orionwas the spring constellation, resurection at easter, sounds familiar? When the land became green, the green man as seen in northern cyltures, hence its green colour, or the cerne giant, all worship of the orion constellation in other forms, with his big phallus, symbolizing fertility of the land and the male symbol. (arche


Hercules/Orion the cerne giant. It was found there was a lions skin as well during archeological excavations. The Hercules connection is strengthened by the 1996 discovery of the cloak, as Hercules was often depicted with a cloak made from the Nemean Lion‘s skin.[53]


Noteworthy is Adams third son, Set.

In Egyptian mythology, Set is portrayed as the usurper who killed and mutilated his own brother Osiris. Osiris’ wife Isis reassembled (remembered) Osiris’ corpse and resurrected him long enough to conceive his son and heir Horus.

Again, a battle of 2 brothers.  Even though it can be related to the stars, like many other similar myths, where did the original story come from that was the basis of naming the constellations as such?

Hence we can confidently say that that Orion was Able in the old testament and the true shepherd Jezus in the new testament (together with the 3 kings stars of Orion and Sirius for the star of Bethlehem), and the basis of the churchs pontifs regalia, together with the Mitre (fish hat) for the age of PISCES. (tThat came after the ram and after the bull taurus) Hence Jezus’ particular “fish”symbolism and Oannes / Johannes the fisher of men.

There is a lot of hidden symbolism if you can read it / knows it relates to astronomy.

It is important to see that there is no difference between Hercules, Abel, Osiris or even Shiva in all these seperate “religions” but they are ALL linked by astronomy and different names/stories telling the same rotation of the skies.

The tree in the garden of eden relates to the skies and world tree of pillar of heaven (Mycenae) and the snake in the tree is the constellation is hydra. However that is to much to explain here as that is the tree of life symbolism. I have covered that elsewhere.

Indra vs Vritra and the Ashvini twins

We see later “gods” wrestle the serpent as seen in my article the universal religion.

Shiva, also “wears the serpent”

(one example: Indra and Vritra, using Dadichis bones to slay Vritra. he made a Vayra or lightning bolt weapon of of the bones.. This is not taken literally, he used a constellations “bones” I suspect sagitaurus (half horse, horse headed), to kill the later hydra..

Indras battles are astronomical in nature like Hercules labours. Another example is the battle of Indra with the ashwini twins, another reference to Gemini..

We see now that multiple Indian “main” books, the RIGVEDA (Indra) and the MAHABRATTA (Krishna) all are astronomical in nature and that these stories are identical to Greek mythology stories, just different names where used but the underlying rotation of the skies and the relation to constellations is clearly present.

The castor-pollux Gemini relation is shown here:

Quote wikipedia: The Ashvins are derived from the Proto-Indo-European horse twins.[1][2][3] Their cognates in other Indo-European mythologies include the Baltic Ašvieniai, the Greek Castor and Polydeuces, the Roman Castor and Pollux, the English Hengist and Horsa, and the Welsh Bran and Manawydan.[1]


Ashwashira – The One With The Horse’s Head

Dadhichi is said to have been a master of a Vedic art known as Brahmavidya (Madhu Vidya) that would enable one to attain immortality.[3] Indra, the King of the Devas, felt his position was insecure with such power in the hands of a mortal man, especially one with as much power as Dadhichi possessed by virtue of being a rishi. Indra was also against the Ashwini twins (Gods of Medicines) learning Brahmavidya and swore that he would behead the one who taught them the art.[6]

However the Ashwini twins wished to learn this art and devised a plan to protect Dadhichi from Indra‘s power. They learned the art from Dadhichi after cutting off his head, preserving it and replacing it with one from a horse. Indra, blinded by his wrath, beheaded the horse-headed sage and left.

The Ashwini twins then put Dadhichi head back’s and revived him with the Madhuvidya that he had taught them. This was how the sage came to be called Ashvashira – The One with the Horse’s head.[6]

The sage of medicines is the later Aesculapius or the constellation Ophiucius.. This requires further research.


Shiva and Durga

Lets go back to India and see if we see any further parallels. We have identified the main god as Hercules/Orion. (with the bull Taurus)

Adam (Orion) and Eve (Virgo) being the prototypes noted in the bible. We also see a male female link in India, namely Shiva and Durga.

If we establish Shiva is also Orion, linked to Taurus, then we have to find Durga in the skies.

Lets look at the below. The first image finds her. It is VIRGO.

Durga is often seen with a tiger,  also with a lion, she is the prototype of Isis, Brittania, Helvetica and many others. Notice the exact same symbolism?

Why, because she is the constellation of VIRGO, her lion is LEO. Related to the Sea with her trident (like poseidon in above pictures) as the bottom half of the skies was a sea and the top a sky.)

The cross on the shield (and of the catholic church), in the flag of Switzerland and the union jack is a direct reference to the zodiacal cross (or symbolic tree of life) as explained in my article the universal religion.

The lady to Virgo. The lion to Leo, the Cup to Crater and the lion to Leo.

It is worth mentioning that the sun was female in ancient days and the moon male, the god sin.  Or what we see here is a combination of opposites, I am not sure of that but this article explains it.

Back to Krishna

In terms of the indian stories, a  story emerges in the stars of a dark brother (krishna blue is also dark)  and a light brother, that needs further investigation and is omitted/excluded from Greek mythology.

Balarama, the white one was a brother from another mother, but a brother none the less.

Quote wikipedia: Balarama’s legend appears in many Parva (books) of the Mahabharata. The Book Three (Vana Parva) states Krishna and him to be brothers born to separate mothers, but one father. Book One (Adi Parva) states the circumstances that lead to light skinned Balarama, and dark skinned Krishna. Book Thirteen (Anushasana Parva) presents the mythology of Sesha’s incarnation into Balarama, as Vishnu incarnated as Krishna, likely reflecting the basis why most of ancient and early medieval artworks of Balarama show a snake hood on top of his head.

Why are Indian and Greek and Sumerian myths based on similar astronomy and altered accordingly slightly but still identifiable as the same. Its the tale of the two brothers the farmer and the animal keeper and the offering to god, where abel (Hercules or the true shephard) was “slain” as the farmer by his brother Bootes (Cain)  because the offering to god was seen as  “better”.

The above image is slightly confusing as in 1 image it incorporates both of orions symbolism, the bow and the club. Now who is who exactly?

As you see in the gemini image colour, Bootes, the farmers, (balarama) colour  red, (the white farming race) or Cain that went east of eden (europe) and build fortified cities (myceanan pre greece), so red was directly linked to the white race in a way. Blue, the dark race. The cow herders and shepherds are possibly the Indian civilization, the more peaceful race. (never waged wars)

Apollo, was blue and with an instrument(harp), just like Krishna and Shiva had an instrument.(Peace)


Rama and Lakshmana

Note the skin colour difference again, as pointed out earlier between the “brothers” Is this all the same story with different names?


Was there a brother war? Yes there was..

I suspect a racial war in the past where the white race split from the darker race, even though they where “brothers” The white race moves east (to greece/europe) but had the same origins/roots possibly near India.

Is that why Adolf Hitler choose a red flag for his Nazi empire and was he searching so much in that land.

Adam, also means red in Hebrew. Hebrew אדם (‘adam) meaning “to be red“, referring to the ruddy colour of human skin. It would indeed make sense from an occult perspective but thats for another time to dicuss.

The colours symbolism is more explained in the universal religion post of which this post is an adendum.

Why is there a “dark brother and a light brother” legend not found / mentioned or omitted in Sumerian and Greek mythology. Vague remnants are there in the stars (Gemini) and the bootes/orion story.

However it is sort of mentioned in the sons of Noah which is based on the indian story of Manu.  There where 3 sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth . The arabic race/shemites, the white race and the black race. I need to check further references to the Manu story.

What is also of considerable interest is the duality between hercules and his club and apollo with his musical instrument, a war vs peace scenario, that is also seen in the US eagles talons, and later depictions of brittania, wheat and spear/trident. So the godess Durga, is also the main godess of Brittain, Brittania. The Danu(va) race.

The indians are a peacefull, mostly vegetarian race that have been invaded but never fought wars themselves. It is also interesting to look into that specific dualism.

Is this a remniscent of the faith of the world that alternates between period of war vs periods of world peace, like it becomes summer and winter, the Yuga cycles?

Are these stories showing a split/war in ancient times, between Pastoralist and Agriculturalist? Meat eaters vs non meat eaters? White race vs Black race?

It points into that direction. The agriculturalist cain was expelled from the garden of eden, but perhaps this story was misconstrued and it was actually good to eat no meat as killing is not good. Perhaps this history was rewritten by the victors, the PASTORalists… descendants of Cain, who build fortified cities in the mediteranean, listed land ownership and did all that Cain did..

Abel, might actually the Indian race. The agricultural non meat eaters.

If we look at the Egyptian Pharos tools, he is carrying both the shepherds crook (pastoralist) and the flail (agriculturalist)

Later minoan civilization and the mycenae Civilizations where showed a BULL cult, related to Taurus,  indicating mainly Pastoralist.


The father of Pandu and Dhritarashtra is also the father of Vidura, namely, Veda Vyasa – Krishna Dvaipayana.

Veda Vyasa is the title and the name is Krishna Dvaipaayana just as in Dr  X (name) Dr is the title and X is the name. He was named Krishna because he was born black, and since he was born in an island (WHAT ISLAND??), he was  named Dvaipaayana.

All the three  (Dhritarashtra, Pandu and Vidura) were the illegitimate sons of Veda Vyasa.

  • Dhritarashtra was conceived by Ambika
  • Pandu was conceived by her younger sister Ambalika.  (umbilical cord??)
  • Vidura who  grew up to be a replica of Dharma (righteousness) as predicted by Veda Vyasa

Both Ambikaa and Ambaalikaa are daughters of Kaashya, the king of Kaashi (Varanasi or Benares).
Dhritarashtra  (DARK RACE / HAM) – was born blind because Ambika, having been frightened of Veda Vyasa’s appearance,  shut her eyes completely during copulation with Veda Vyasa. So Veda Vyasa had to repeat the performance with Ambalika. Everything went well here, but, again on seeing the fearsome appearance of Vyasa.

Ambaalikaa (WHITE RACE / JAPETH) – turned pale during the niyoga act . So the conceived child was born pale and he was named Pandu.

Indian albino. Perhaps the ‘deformity’ that was spoken of and the progenitors of the white race. Facial features like nose, eyes, facial hair, between Indians and europeans are similar minus haircolour blond and red.  I propose that an Indian mutation is described in the mahabaratta and could possibly be origin of the white race. 

Now the person behind all these arrangements was none other than Satyavati (royal mother, mother of the deceased Vichitraveerya and mother-in-law of Ambika and Ambalika) whose first son was Veda Vyasa who too was illegitimate. Now Satyavati had summoned Veda Vyasa to impregnate the issueless  two widowed queens (of Vichitraveerya) Ambika and Ambalika in order to obtain a legal heir to the Hastinapura throne. Since the previous two processes did not produce the desired result, that is one normal healthy heir to the throne, Veda Vyasa was summoned for the third time by Satyavati.

Vidura (Shemetic race / SHEM) – Ambika agreed to go through the ordeal again. But, at the last moment, she could not muster sufficient courage to face Veda Vyasa. So, she sent her maidservant in her place (similar to abraham and Hagar). The maid had intercourse with Veda Vyasa in full attention and with full devotion. The result was the birth of a normal child  with no disability (white colour or blindness). That child was named Vidura. (Indicating this was also a dark child)

Now both Dhritarashtra and Vidura did not qualify for the throne of Hastinapura because the former suffered from the physical disability of blindness, and the latter, being the son of a maidservant.

*Note: Could this indicate the 3 sons of Noah, noahs sons, a dark race (Ham), a white race (Japed) and the Shemites (The chosen ones / Dharma) It also faintly reminds of the story of Abraham who also has intercourse with a maid servant Hagar (ishmael)


Was the ancient great war as listed in the Mahabaratta a war between the pastoralist and agriculturalist, the war between the two “brothers”? (


The Pandeva

Descendant from Pandu, meaning Whitish/pale.  (The younger line of King Kuru)

The Kaureva

Descendants from Dhritarashtra  (elder line of King Kuru) Pandu was a half brother.

Eventually the Kauravas loose the war and only 1 son, Yuyutsu stays alive as he fought on the side of the Pandavas:

During Kurukshetra War:  Before the onset of the battle of Kurukshetra War between Kauravas and Pandavas, Yuyutsu shifts from Kauravas to the Pandava camp. Yuyutsu fought the battle on the side of the Pandavas. He was one among the 11 Maharathis (capable of fighting 720,000 warriors simultaneously) among the Kauravas. Yuyutsu was one among the eleven warriors to have survived the war.[7]

After the war: When the Pandavas decided to retire from the world at the start of the Kali Yuga (THIS INDICATES BEFORE CAME THE BRONZE AGE!!) and departure of Krishna

This indicates that India was rules by the last remaining Kaurava while the Pandevas moves to Sumer and Europe.

This also aligns with was was said about Cain, he moved to the trembling lands and build fortification cities in the mediteranean (mycenae citadels) As per timeframe, PRE Kali Yuga,  which is iron age, this would place these events in the BRONZE AGE, exactly the time of the Mycenae Mediterranean Pelasgian civilization..


Two brothers fighting……

Both show descent from Kuru yet they fought together. (Different lines indicating different mothers, which could make a black and white race)

Did the pastoralist , Cains descendants, move east to the land of Nod, that trembled (Volcanic greece)

Was there a split between the white race and the dark Indian race at that time after the Mahabaratta war.

Did the Pandevas move east and started the greek and western civilizations?



Due to disability (blindness) of the other brother and child of maid servant) and the basis of the biblical Cain and Able story, that was specifically captured in astronomy (gemini) and in the blue and red occult symbolism in the later western world and also this would make sense why Hitler had such an interest in India.

All of Kaureva where killed, except 1 child of the slain brother , Yuyutsu, it seems the pandevas became king , heir to the throne of Hastinapura

Yudhishthira (Pandeva) gave the charge of supervising the kingdom to Yuyutsu (the last remaining Kaureva descend) 

Parikshit was made the king[8][9] (Pandeva descend)

The stories of the Ramayana and Mabharata, are also displayed in the wayang art are at the core of Hinduism, the oldest and most important books. Could these books be hidden in the stars in the form of western constellations and point to a common story?

We could speculate, that all this information combined, would elude to an extremely interesting VEDIC ORIGINS of  the Caucasian race as a half brother of the kingdom of Kuru and basis of the Cain and Abel (and third child Seth) story . Abel left no heirs (or did he) and Cain’s heirs, according to tradition, were destroyed by the Great Flood. (The volcanic etna explosion?)

In any case, The story that is depicted in the stars of the two brothers if you combine the constellations. That the Cain and Abel story is a form of the story of the Mahabaratta war.

It seems the naming of the constellations was initially to tell the story of the two brothers and the war at that time and the red and blue colour to elude to a dark race and a white version of race with the same dark father, giving information that the white race might have migrated from India to the Mediterranean, where they consequently build the bronze age fortresses and gave rise to the Greek civilization as the Pelasgians.The time period, before the Kali Yuga (iron age) fits in perfectly and would explain the rise of the European civilization.


*update 1 June 2018

A study on mice migration (linked to agriculture) shows exactly what I tried to argue here above.

The highest concentrations are in the northern India area where the mahabaratta royalty lived and Greece.

Mice Migration and Human Migration: Two Linked Journeys







The volcanic connection

This blog post captures my own research into why they build pyramids worldwide and how these structures / temples are related to each other. I tried to understand why a whole world started building similar structures, ignoring the obvious answer of “its the easiest way to build a tall building” and “these cultures are not related”.

I started looking for a possible deeper meaning behind this worldwide pyramid phenomena.

It started to make sense after a first clue, pyra-mid, which translates as fire in the middle. Ben ben was symbolic for “primeval mound”

The word PYRAMID according to Stephen Mehler:

“The word pyramid is derived from the Greek words PYRAMIS and PYRAMIDOS. The meaning of the word Pryamis is obscure and may relate to the shape of a pyramid. The word Pyramidos has been translated as “Fire In The Middle”. In alignment with the indigenous tradition, we use the interpretation “House of Nature, House of Energy” for Per-Neter.”

It is rather interesting that the Egyptian word for pyramid was MR, or MER, awefully close to the Hindu MERU and suMER. SU meaning “good” in sanskrit and MR being the primordial mountain.

Then I went to browser for certain pyramids and temples in the world. We know the ancients revered the primordial mountain as per Egyptian religion. The “mountain” re-occurs in many religions worldwide.

Quote: “It was given different names in different cultures. The Egyptians knew it as the Primordial Mound, the Israelites as Sinai and Zion, and the Greeks as Olympus and Parnassus. Further afield, the Indians called the divine peak Meru or Sumeru, the Chinese Kun-lun, Sung-shan, or Bu-zhou, the Icelanders Himinbjörg, the Aztec Colhuacan, and the Choctaw Nunne Chaha.” Source


Besides the Meru domes of Indian temples, we even see this mountain shape in Sardinian wells if seen from the air, a  “mountain” with a (pole)star on top. (the star constellations and planets are “the gods” on top of the mountain)

*Note the flattened trapezium shaped pyramid shape and on top a “pole star”.

Santa Cristina stepwell Sardinia, seen from the air.

I always wondered to the surrounding rings but think it is starting to make sense. Also not the “not perfect pyramid” shape like the largest Egyptian pyramid. Could it actually be a depiction of a volcano?

Many Asian temples are in a moat, like an island. For example Angkor Wat with a mountain like building as temple. The Vimana of Hindu temples representing mount Meru. The primordial mountain/island.

There is one very important link researchers and academics worldwide might have missed, which is, the possible relation to the volcano.

“The pyramid (and later temple mounts) could be culturally linked to the volcano worldwide.” – Stijn van den Hoven


Cono de Arita is a volcanic cone that rises unexpectedly in the middle of the salt pan, near the border of Salar de Arizaro, in Argentina

So can we prove pyramids (or temples) are related to volcanoes?

Not only is the pyramid a representation of that primordial mount that rises from the sea, water and fire combined, it is also directly related to some of the world largest pyra-mids, so obvious in plane sight as a background to the building but not explicitly mentioned as related to it, as far as I know by anyone. Not in relation to this subject in Meso America and also not in a global relation in different countries worldwide like Bali that it was the volcano that caused the temple or pyramid to be build.

Some pyramids and temples are directly positioned on or near such volcanoes making it a small copy of the large mountain behind it as seen in Mexico AND Bali, an ocean apart, with no cultural links whatsoever according to conventional academic research.

Was it mere coincidence they both framed the volcano? I suspect not.


The Aztecs gave the name Miccaotli Street of the Dead or Calzada de los Muertos in Spanish) to the broad, street-like series of connected plazas in Teotihuacan.

The main buildings are connected by a 130-foot- (40-metre-) wide road, the Street of the Dead (“Calle de los Muertos”), that stretches 1.5 miles (2.4 km); oriented slightly east of true north.

It points directly at the nearby sacred peak of Cerro Gordo, not any mountain, again a volcano..

The Street of the Dead was once erroneously thought to have been lined with tombs, but the low buildings that flank it probably were palace residences.

I do not think the pyramids are the pyramids of the sun and moon. I think they represents the two large volcano’s south-west of Mexico city and that the reason is that the street of the death connects to 1 pyramid is exactly that. Because the volcanoes caused massive death to a pre-civilization.

I noticed that the old Toltec city of Tula was on the other side of Mexico city much closer to the volcano’s and that the newer cities are deliberately further on the other side.

Could Teotihuacan and Cholula be cities that came from Tula
that was abandoned and destroyed by volcanic erruptions?

Is that the true meaning of the pyramid shape? Is that the reason why they mimicked the two mountains as pyramids in Theotihuacan and linked the street of the death directly to 1 pyramid. Let’s carry on to the largest pyramid in Mexico, where the catholic church build a church on top. Check what is behind it..épetl


pyramidPerhaps this picture shows it better.. That’s right, a massive volcano.



The great pyramid of Cholula, with as backdrop the volcano it replicates.

The great pyramid of Cholula, Mexico

El Volcan

Another weird find is this. A man made mini volcano. Named “el Volcan”

Quote: “In the 1960s, archaeologists had noted the volcano-like mound and identified it as artificial, but  Benfer and his team decided to investigate further.”


Also the site of Izapa is aligned to a volcano as shown in this article by John Major Jenkins yet he didn’t pay much attention to that detail not realising a lot of old world sites are.

Quote: ” The site is oriented some 21 degrees east of true north, which is the sight line to the peak of Tacana Volcano.”


The reason for Balis’ temples on the slope of volcanoes or Cholula in front of volcano pre-dates Hinduism and relates to the core of the pyramid culture.

Lempuyang Temple, Bali

Mother Temple gate in Besakih is on the slopes of volcano Mount Agung .

Here the gate of Pura lempuyang temple in Bali. Again a volcano is framed perfectly in its view, identical to the Cholula Pyramid in Meso America. Mount Agung or Gunung Agung is a volcano in Bali, Indonesia, south-east of Mt Batur volcano, also in Bali. Gunung Agung strato volcano is the highest point on Bali. 

View of Angung volcano Last eruption: 21 November 2017
Elevation: 3,031 m
Prominence: 3,031 m
Translation: Paramount, The Great Mountain
The most important temple on Bali, Pura Besakih, is located high on the slopes of Gunung Agung volcano.


It is no secret Egypt God Ptah was an earlier form of Hephaestus or Vulcan, again the volcano link is obvious.

If this is established we then can ask ourselves why we can see similar cultural links between temples, pyramids since these cultures are not related according to academic scholars and “just the easiest way to build a tall structure” The answer to why pyramids where build, besides, tombs for Pharaohs was never given, nor was any Pharaoh ever found in “their tomb”.

A symbolic memorial tomb however, as message to the future might explain the effort made if millions died in a catastrophic volcanic event in the past.

Besides having shown  in my Makara paper  clear cultural links across the pacific,  here again a interesting similarity appears, both religious constructions, a temple in Bali and a pyramid in Mexico, is clearly linked to the Volcano.. Is this another “coincidence” or does a picture start to appear.

I propose the vulture and the snake on the Tutankhamen death mask are the constellations Vega (Vulture Cadens) and Draco successive pole star constellations. Relations to Vega that even in modern times are related in our times in the US eagle, which I show in my other article on the bird man cult.

Questions arrise. Why was the worldwide bird cult so important?

Why was Vega a vulture, a bird of death and the ‘Pharaohs chicken’? Why we see a global “mount cult”.

I suspect a global volcanic cataclysm occurred in mans history that later gave rise to pyramid monuments worldwide and perhaps the memorial on Easter island as closed to an Atlantic mother continent perhaps, although that is mere speculation. Perhaps future excavations reveal more as there is a lot of soil deposited on the statues and the island as a whole.

Scientist have proven increased volcanic activity occurred due to less pressure on the mantle from melting ice in the last ice age. This would have triggered volcanic eruptions and tsunamis worldwide destroying civilizations and causing world death. A vulture would be the right image for Vega and basis for the bird and pyramid cult worldwide.

The bird on the mountain(Vega, vulture Cadens) and killing people on Mayan Pyramids might be what Mayan priest symbolically re-enacted dressed in bird costumes doing sacrifices. It might be why the priestess of Mu Egypt wore feathers from vultures. Mu the motherland.

Atlantis was the homeland of the Egyptians. My thesis is pyramids are volcano representations and a symbolic remnant of a destroyed motherland as memorial to their ancestors. Since in Egyptian pyramid is Mr, there is the Sudanese Meroe culture(meru), SU Meru means good meru. There is even a volcano named sumeru on Java. The Nile, Nila for bleu in sanskrit, the lotus flower, the cobra I suspect Egypt was a vedic colony. The oldest worship is Agni or fire altars, which would pretty much fit in with a volcano.

There is a book written on sundaland which might be a possible location of the motherland.

Atlantis was ‘beyond the pillars of hercules’ . What if this was not a physical location but a reference to a time. The only pillars of hercules in the sky is Ophiuchius, which gave rise to many storm deities after that including Viracocha. I even suspect the Samson story links to this. (pulling down the temple) specifically note the harp in the picture. That is Vega/Lyra I think.

Samson pulling down the temple.


What if the global pyramid cultures only started after leaving the (Asian vedic) motherland as remnant of the volcanic deluge and dispersed in direction of Ireland, Europe, Greece, Egypt, Peru and India and seeded the globe hence the similarities in culture and the globally seen staff deity for Ophiuchius, Orions (Hercules) exact 180 degree counterpart in the sky. Above him sits the ‘real’ Hercules again but Hercules occurs in multiple places in the zodiac, for example also one of the twins gemini.

Ophiuchius, in my opinion the storm God in any culture as staff or storm deity. See my article the universal religion.


Vega (in Lyra), the vulture (or harp) and Aquila the eagle are basis for the US eagle and the double headed eagle of freemason and Garuda, as described in my birdman article that links also to Easter island. To me a picture starts to form. Many names in tiuhanaco have sanskrit links. Kala (time) and Vira (man) cocha (mixed ancestry) are some of them. It would explain the similar reed boats found in Egypt, Indus Valley and lake titicaca Peru.

The arrow sagitta, near Vega, killed the cyclops or cyclopeans in Greek myth. The ‘Single eyes’ . Writer Richard Cassaro thought the cyclops where the bindi wearers.  This could then well be another reference to the Vedic Asian homeland destruction of the megalithic pre civilization.

There are stories how a single arrow with fire at its end(comet?) destroyed the 3 cities.  Perhaps a comet impact triggered the volcanos.


Quote: “The Danavas including Maya was present at the time Tripura was fuming!
The torment caused by Tripura was unbearable that  the Devas asked Shiva to kill him.
He did so by using a single arrow.
The killing of Tripura by Shiva was described as Tripura samhara.
The exact process of killing is described in the Sangam Tamil text called Paripadal
which is an exact description of the destruction caused by a Volcano.

Features of a Volcano

Paripadal – 5 says

“naaga naaNaa malai villaaka
moovagai, aareyil Orazal ambin muLiya”
(நாக நாணா மலை வில்லாக
மூவகை ஆரெயில் ஓரழல் அம்பின் முளிய)

Naaga – snake
naaNaa – as the string (of the bow)
malai – mountain
villaaka – as the bow
moovakai – 3 types
aareyil – walls (fortresses)
Orazal – a single streak of fire
ambin muLiya – at the end of an arrow – killed

That is,
Shiva killed Tripura with the mountain as the arrow and the snakes (mantle / magma) as the string, he blew the 3 fortresses of iron, silver and gold (molten material) by shooting a single arrow which has fire at its end.
The snakes – as we told before – personify the magma trying to come out.

This describes the sudden and powerful eruption of fire and mantle from inside the mountain (volcano) which resulted in the complete collapse of the volcano.”

Easter Island

It also might be represented by the statues on Easter Island, deliberately placed on a volcanic island to symbolize the destruction of mankind as a warning to the future, intended to be buried by the volcanic ash as a massive memorial and message to future mankind. Massive amounts of soil are covering the huge statues.

Researchers have found charcoal in the peat suggesting the islands vegetation was burned by its residents, I suspect the volcanoes actually did this (and buried the statues) and the statues where intentionally placed on a volcanic island in the pacific as a memorial to a deluge volcanic destruction. Further dating when the statues where placed and by whom and why there are megalithic walls similar to those in south America needs to be done by archaeologist. If we know the statues are so large, how deep does that wall go?

How deep does that wall go since the moais are so large?

This would be the first place I would excavate. Thor Heyerdale also found more walls on Easter Island.

And if statues are covered so deep under sand/ ash what more lies hidden on this island and where these statues intentionally so large to be able to withstand numerous eruptions before fully covered as a message to future mankind? Why did they not dig at the wall to see how deep it goes since only a head of a Moai sticks out there as well?

How long does it take to cover these statues so deep in soil. How many eruptions of the 3 nearby volcanoes or tsunamis? This should be easily answered if we see in which direction the statues have fallen, if it was eruptions or tsunami’s. In any case, The depth of the soil is huge, so what else is hidden on Easter Island..

Monuments rather than tombs or symbolic tombs warning future mankind of the worldwide catastrophe that killed so many. Hence perhaps Pyramids where never tombs yet symbolic tombs and a pending warning to mankind and Easter Island was also such a memorial to testify to such a deluge.

This is is my opinion the true reason why pyramids where build worldwide. Combined with later astronomy to mark a time in man’s history many thousands of years ago.

Obsidian, cinnabar are all related to volcanoes as their pyramids and early gods where.

What if the pyramid was a memorial, a symbolic Tomb of millions, due to worldwide volcanic eruptions, tsunamis and a total blackout of the skies combined with a scorching hole in the ozone layer in a downwards spiral effect. Is this why there are no mummies ever found in old pyramids as they where merely a symbolic “tomb” or memorial in the beginning.

Further more astronomy was practised, the priest dressed in bird feathers on top of pyramids sacrificing people could be an enactment of either their sky god bird / vulture / eagle Vega, killing people. Together with the volcano symbolism or being an re-enactment of their maize god constellation being “sacrificed” on top of the mountain. There is no difference to the Olympian gods on the mountain.

An interesting fact is that the mountain where Noahs’ arks landed, mount Ararat is also a twin peak strato volcano. The story of Noah was plagiarized by the church from older Sumerian and Indian accounts. (flood of Gilgamesh, flood of Manu,Utnapishtim etc

However it does shows a link between a volcano and a flood story. Again two volcanic mountains that look like natural pyramids.

Mount Ararat and the Araratian plain, seen early morning from near the city of Artashat in Armenia. On the center left can be seen the historic Khor Virap monastery.

The link of pyramids to the volcanoes as memorials to volcanic eruptions that created a deluge has, as far as I know never been published in this context and deserves further research.

A recent article on national geographic did point out also that pyramids could have been modelled to volcanos.

In general, Sheets said, volcanism was an integral part of ancient Maya life. Some of the temples in the highland Maya cities, for example, mimic sacred volcanoes. “The temple buildings have doorways in the tops, where they burned incense, and the rising smoke was used to carry various messages to ancestor spirits and the deities,” Sheets explained. But whether temples at Tikal—where no volcanoes were visible—and other lowland cities were similarly inspired is unclear.Volcanic eruptions also fit into the Maya worldview that life is full of phenomena that can be either hazards or opportunities, and that human behavior can tip the balance, Sheets said. For the Maya, a smoking volcano wasn’t always a harbinger of doom. Humans could turn its ash into a benefit, such as fertilizer or additives to strengthen pottery clay.

Study leader Tankersley emphasizes that the unpredictable mountains, too, were at the crux of Maya culture. “They built temples in the shapes of volcanoes, and their ceremonies replicate volcanic events,” he said.

“To the Maya, volcanoes were part of life—an essential part of their life.”


One could question if this was only for the Maya, or also for the Balinese, the Egyptians and many other cultures and if this cultural aspect of the volcano was related to a worldwide cataclysmic event instead that made them build pyramids modelled after volcanoes all over the world.

Mayan relief what appears to be an exploding volcano. Note the spear/arrow in relation to the earlier hindu tale. 

Teoberto Maler  was an Austrian-born photographer and archaeologist who discovered and photographed a frieze on the main Mayan temple at Tikal, in the Yucatan peninsula of Mexico, which appeared to depict a drowning man and another escaping from sinking land in a boat, while a volcano erupts in the background. Maler was convinced that this was an illustration of the destruction of Atlantis. Unfortunately, he had the frieze removed to the Berlin Museum where it was destroyed in the bombing of World War II.

In 1939, Robert Stacy-Judd included a photo of the frieze in the book “Atlantis mother of all empires”


This, combined with the other evidence presented and links to volcanoes, might be worth further research and considering the link between volcanoes and pyramids as a deep rooted message to future mankind that was the basis for a cult that came after such a deluge and might have been the basis for a global pyramid and temple mount culture.

A temple mount culture that later had the gods on top in form of constellations and resulted in our modern age “religion” of 1 god, the original message and warning and the reasons of the pyramids and Meru shaped temples, lost in time.

This research was published by Stijn van den Hoven  29 April 2018


*Update: 1 June 2018


I learned today that the megalithic site of Gunung Padang in Java also alligns to a stratovolcano.

I noticed Andrew Collins wrote about this specifically and I never saw the article until a recent video from megalithomania conference where he presented this info as well. It just adds to my theory that is presented in this article.

He also briefly mentions Vega to which I have said is the vulture stonevin gobleki tepi while he focused more on Cygnus before.

Again Vega makes an appearance for me in relation to the volcanoes.


From the article of Andrew Collins:

Quote: “Yet clearly visible beyond this hill when viewed from Gunung Padang is a double-peaked stratovolcano, which bears two names: Gunung Pangrango (its western peak, which rises to a height of 3,019 metres) and Gunung Gede (its eastern peak, which rises to a height of 2,958 metres). This lies at a distance of approximately 15 miles (24 miles) from the megalithic complex, clearly in view of the stone settings on all five terraces.”



Other than this I wondered if the site of candi Sukuh was related to volcanoes and indeed it was being build on a slope of a stratovolcano as well.

The 15th century temple of Candi Sukuh, on slopes of Gunung Lawu (strato volcano) , east of Solo, thought to be linked to fertiflity cult, island of Java, Indonesia, Southeast Asia, Asia.


I am still trying to find more sites and looking at the borobodur alignments as well.  To be continued.




El Salvador (under research)

Volcano of Agua
Volcán de Fuego Chi’gag (Mayan for “where the fire is”)
Pacaya volcano near Antigua

volcanoes of El Salvador

– The Izalco Volcano
– The Santa Ana Volcano the Santa Ana Volcano or “Ilamatepec Volcano” (lamatepec in dialect means mother mountain) being the biggest volcano of the area
the volcanic lake “Coatepeque”, cataloged amongst the most beautiful of the world.
– Cerro Verde Volcano
– San Miguel / Volcán Chaparrastique
– San Vicente (also known as Chichontepec or Las Chiches) is a stratovolcano in central El Salvador. It is located next to the town of San Vicente (hence the name) and is the second highest volcano in El Salvador. In the indigenous language Nahuat, Chichontepec means the mountain of the two breasts,because its double summit resembles a woman’s bosom.


Teopan Source:




When the Tehuacan Ecological Park was being built many old and very old pieces of ceramic and formed rock were found. Many of these are found in their viewing room – photos are in the gallery below. A IMG00881-20120802-1719swimming pool was excavated and when it was filled with water, it leaked out over several hours. The floor was examined, a hole was found. It was chipped away to create a hole big enough for persons to lower themselves in. They found a rock-lined tunnel – a tunnel going in the direction of the Tehuacan ruins, a tunnel that runs for who knows how many kilometers. They were not prepared to adequately and safely explore it so they sealed it up and re-filled the stream-fed swimming pool by diverting a stream that flows from a spring up the volcano.


Teopan – Ancestral Home of the Quiches

When the Mayan ancestors left Isla Tigre following the advent of the 3rd sun, marked by a triple star event in 8207 BCE, each of the four lineages went to an island, in order to be safe Teopan paisfrom their fierce enemy the Xibalbhans at Corinto cave who were afraid of water. [Click to enlarge map.] Two lineages remained to the east – the Lenca/Olmeca lineage at Lago Olomega (Teomeka) and the Zapotec lineage at the mouth of the Lempa River (Teoakan). The Quiche lineage and the Ch’orti’ lineage went to the west of El Salvador – the Quiches to Lago Coatepeque(Teopan) and the Ch’orti’s to Lago Güija (Teotipa).

IMG00956-20120805-0638All of the four destination regions are beautiful, but Lago Coatepeque and Teopan are spectacular.


“Joya de Cerén”: (The San Salvador Volcano (also known as El Boquerón) is a stratovolcano situated northwest to the city of San Salvador. The crater has been nearly filled with a relatively newer edifice, the Boquerón volcano.) the famous archaeological site known as “The Pompeii of the Americas”
and declared World Heritage by UNESCO in 1993 for its valuable contribution to daily life
of the ancestors of the Mayan World.

Then continue the tour and visit the ruins of “San Andrés”, a very important ceremonial and
political center that has several structures used by the governors of that civilization.
In this important site there are remains of an Indigo Mill that was buried by the eruption
of El Playon in 1658. Definitely a whole different experience!




The birdman cult and the egg.

After seeing a webarticle from Andrew Collins on, with his research on Gobleki Tepi here:
it made me think about something. 
If Gobleki Tepi focusses on Deneb, as per Andrew Collins diagram, it then is very obvious what the vulture stone next to the circle stone indicates. The vulture stone was never Cygnus, it is Vega.
That be LYRA (VULTURE cadens), Scorpio is also on that stone (and why they haven’t excavated that one properly beats me as one then can see the other constellations) What the vulture is holding as a circle is VEGA.
Diagram from Andrew Collins The position of the Vulture stone is of great significance.
The star reference and constellation usage of Gobleki Tepi is thus pretty obvious. The mysterious birdman, with its egg in hand is that region of the sky,  Lyra with VEGA.  Here in its beak.
So I would say Andrew Collins was looking the right direction, yet picked Cynus and Deneb instead of the real Vulture Lyra.
Not only is that of significance, as the same bird with “egg” in hand is clear in Easter island and Tucume (  as excavated by Thor Heyerdale and where he found “the bird and the egg motif”
The birdman is also seen in Tiuhanaco on the gate of the sun
One could argue that this wordly symbolism later transmuted in the double headed eagle man here seen in bactrian art, in that case vulture cadens and aquila combined. Ophiucius with heads Vulture Cadens and Aquila. The double headed eagle.
Bactrian boar ax head art (the boar is Lupus)
 And was basis for the later double headed eagle. Also the 1000 yrs old idol of Gandabherundaman can be derived from this place in the sky. The double headed bird man makes sense, as there are two eagles there, Vulture Cadens and Aquilla.
And the Sumerian Eagle man (again with bag) The mystery “bag” has always been a symbol for the arc of heavens. So what the bird is holding in its wing is the polestar VEGA. The fruit of the tree.
It is merely a later or different representation of the Gobleki Tepi Vulture stone.
And the double headed eagle of the freemasons and royalty.
This would make perfect sense since the US seal is derived from the Lyra Constellation as well. The US eagle is Vulture Cadens..
The Arrow Sagitta said to have killed of the Cyclops / Cyclopean civilization to which most of the megalithic constructions are attributed.
What does this mean.. That from easter island till Sumeria similar astronomy was found and that the birdman is the constellation Lyra with the very old polestar in its hand. It means that astronomy is that old and that the same birdman was known worldwide. That seems to far fetched for coincidence and might point to some form of cultural exchange.
Article by Stijn  van den Hoven 23-4-2018

History of religion

HISTORY OF RELIGION: Once there where Animals/Plants- People started agriculture and needed to measure time – They started using stars to measure time for planting/breeding – Then they started naming constellations to keep easier track of groups of stars – Magi or priest astronomers added constellations and made these into stories of people/gods/demigods to track the rotation of stars into a year (Demeter going into underworld/below horizon) – Naming main god their spring constellation/fertility of the land Osiris/vegetation god/Orion/Hercules the giant – For ego and control learned priest/kings identifying themselves with the constellation/god in sky as reincarnation of god on earth on top of temples fooling unschooled people with these stories as them being men of god. Changing to the single man in the sky, forgetting about what the stories/allegories actual where for (the stories where classified as Myths) – There was a god in the sky and a devil in the underworld, two opposite constellations summer and winter respectively. Also creating stories about Easter bunny (Lepus, the hare at spring , with its eggs as hare and eggs is fertility. The Egyptian PER hare glyph, which was another name for Osiris (orion) and later came Santa Claus with his reindeer (deer lunar mansion Mrigashira with Rohini aldebaran as red nose) which now sits in winter due to precession) having a bible with 12 apostles/12 zodiac/4 main evangelist/corners of the zodiac signs and the sun Jesus and nobody knows what it means any more – The main spring constellation became a single main god (Jesus resurrects at spring) – And a single god – numerous cultures telling same story related to astronomy but nobody knows its true meaning any more – People forgetting about why temples where build with encoded timekeeping in it or cross as tree of life. – Stijn van den Hoven

Why there are crabs, turtles or scarab at base of obelisks.

This post adresses the meaning of obelisks. Not as a phallic symbol but as the pillar of heaven.

After an 2016 article of Bibhu Dev Misra (links to credit below) where he links mount meru to the cosmic turtle and bixi turtle i started digging deeper in this particular worldly symbolism.
 Fb post


No mention or link was made to Egyptian obelisks or the sacrada familia pillar.
This needed deeper research.
I visited rome and all obelisks there and noticed the turtle symbolism at the base in relation to carrying egyptian obelisks in Florence and the Vatican.  However not all obelisks had turtles.
The London obelisk had a seemingly unrelated bronze  khepri beetle Egyptian style ornanement at the base holding it up.
Then by coincidence i came across the New York central park one. Londons sister twin obelusk.  I thought yes turtles but again something different. Crabs.

Cleopatras needle in New York central park is held up by crabs at the base instead of turtles like the Boboli obelisk in florence.

But then i linked it all together. It was astronomy. Crab, Snapping turtle and Khepri is all the cancer constellation

The obelisk is related to the world pillar of heaven. In pairs as they were extremities of ecliptic. Crab, snapping turtle and scarab (at base of london obelisk) are all the same old summer solstice constellation. Now crab is in winter. (makes sense to put at bottom of obelisk as tip would be mid summer now) Yet in old days khepri was mid summer. The dung beetle rolling the sun across the sky.

And That’s also why crab/cancer is at bottom of obelisk. Its opposite capricorn or makkara around the year 0. Now taurus/orion is our summer constellation and … Winter. In 6000bc khepri or cancer was the spring constellation. Egyptians call khepri Zet tepi or the first time.

The following quoted article is relevant as background knowledge in my argument.

Quote article:

“What is the significance of the Tropic of Cancer, Tropic of Capricorn, Arctic Circle and Antarctic Circle? (Beginner) The Tropic of Cancer is the circle marking the latitude 23.5 degrees north, where the sun is directly overhead at noon on June 21, the beginning of summer in the northern hemisphere. The Tropic of Capricorn is the circle marking the latitude 23.5 degrees south where the sun is directly overhead at noon on December 21, the beginning of winter in the northern hemisphere. When the lines were named 2000 years ago, the Sun was in the constellation of Capricorn during the winter solstice and Cancer during the summer solstice (hence the names). Now due to the precession of the equinoxes the Sun is no longer in these constellations during these times, but the names remain. The equator is the circle where the Sun is directly overhead at noon on the equinoxes. “


Khepri the dung beetle, a metaphore for pushing the sun through the skies.

The crab constellation Khepri has the sun as its an ecliptic constellation just like taurus has the sun between its horns, the crab has the sun between its legs and thus is important as a solar constellation.

The dung beetle pushed the sun through the heavens.






  1. London obelisk – Scarab


2. New York central park obelisk. Roman crabs.

Good article here:


Quote met museum website:

“The two bronze crabs 81.2.1 and 81.2.2) are from a set of four originally used in Roman times as supports for the broken corners of the obelisk that now stands in Central Park. Thutmose III erected the obelisk about 1443 B.C. in Heliopolis, now part of modern Cairo. It was re-inscribed by Ramesses II and later moved to Alexandria by the Romans, who inserted the crabs when they re-erected it.

The Roman crabs were replaced with newly cast substitutes in 1881 when the obelisk was moved to New York and placed in Central Park behind The Metropolitan Museum of Art. The originals were given to the Museum by Lieutenant Commander Henry H. Gorringe, who brought the obelisk to New York; the obelisk itself was a gift from Egypt to the City of New York.

The claw of 81.2.1 has an inscription in Latin on the inside and one in Greek on the outside. Both state that the Roman prefect Barbarus and the architect Pontius re-erected the obelisk in Alexandria during the eighteenth year of an emperor, probably Augustus, who also built the Temple of Dendur.

Donated to the Museum in 1881 by Lieutenant Commander Henry H. Gorringe, who brought the obelisk known as Cleopatra’s Needle to New York.”



3.Boboli obelisk Florence – turtles




4. Hindu pillar churning of milky ocean. Kurma turtle. 

Hercules(orion/taurus)  and crab story, zodiac opposites equals shiva(with cow)  and kurma. (Durga is virgo and leo) left and right sun and moon or zodiac two halves.

5. Sacrada familia Barcelona 

Again a turtle and pillar. Astronomy.

6. Bixi turtle

China has the same symbolism as well. There is it the Bixi turtle carrying world pillar. A statue is also in front of harvard university.




A good writeup on Crab/Scarab is quoted here:

Cancer: The Crab & The Scarab

Cancer the Crab

Cancer the Crab

We are familiar with the sign of Cancer being associated with a crab through the Greek and Roman traditions.  Indeed the Latin word cancer means crab, and this well-known crustacean expresses the Cancerian temperament very well.  It lives on the cusp of earth and sea, scuttles sideways, cautious in its movements and has a protective shell covering the soft vulnerable flesh within.  In order to grow, the crab must periodically shed its shell and grow another.  The crab rocks to and fro with the ebb and flow of the tide, which is itself pulled by the ever waxing and waning moon, just as the typical Moon-ruled Cancerian will tend to be pulled more than most by their lunar moods and cycles.  I had a lovely vision during last year’s Cancerian weekend of the humble crab actually being the unsung conductor of the moon and the tide, dancing its dance, in tune with the inward and outward flow of life.  During our Cancerian Weekend, we actively embody the crab, becoming crab-like in our movements and learning the subtle dance of this unassuming yet symbolically potent creature of the shore.

The Beetle with its Ball of Dung

The Beetle with its Ball of Dung

For the Egyptians, Cancer was represented not by a crab, but by a scarab (or dung) beetle, sacred to the Egyptians as a creature of immortality.  The beetle is clearly linked to the moon’s twenty-eight day cycle. It deposits its ball of eggs, rolled in dung in the earth, for the space of twenty-eight days, which is the time it takes for the moon to complete a full revolution through the twelve zodiacal signs.  The Egyptians considered the twenty-ninth day to be a day of resurrection, and according to lunar markings, there occurs the baptism of the beetle, when the scarabeus casts his ball into the water, opening to give birth to the young beetle.  This immersion and baptism became naturally associated with renewal and regeneration.  In this way, the lunar god was always declared to be self-created, never born.  This symbolism seems to fit very aptly for the sign of Cancer, so seemingly introverted and self-contained.

The Scarabeus

The Scarabeus

The Summer Solstice marks the entry of the sun into Cancer in the tropical zodiac on 21st June and we can find this symbolism highlighted through the behaviour of the scarab beetle.  The creature certainly carries solar symbolism, perhaps on account of its ray-like head and the dung ball representing the Sun.  The scarab-beetle god was known as Khepera and was believed to push the setting sun along the sky in the same manner as the beetle pushes his ball of dung, a scene frequently depicted in various artefacts.  The beetle would, for example, push the dung ball to the top of a sand ridge and then allow it roll down again, a motion that would seem to reflect that of the Sun rising to its zenith in the sky at Summer Solstice before descending again.  The scarab can be seen in various depictions apparently holding the sun aloft, suggestive perhaps of the solstice sun.

Khepera, The Creative Beetle God

Khepera, The Creative Beetle God

Whether as crab or dung beetle, Cancer is always represented as a humble creature, yet one with significant powers, whether as conductor or the moon and tide or as bearer of the Sun. It is easy to overlook the humble being in our quest for success, as Hercules famously did when he crushed the divine crab beneath his clumsy feet as he wrestled with the hydra. The crab was placed in the heavens as a mark of loyalty and service and its placement at the crucial turning point of the Summer Solstice highlights its importance, however unassuming its constellation of stars may be. Its star Acubens is the only one we are ever likely to see in our light-polluted skies. Even in our Glastonbury Zodiac, the Cancer figure is the least prominent and the most easily missed. Represented as a ship (rather than a crab) its shape is drawn by the waterways created when the land upon which it stands was reclaimed from the sea in centuries past. Walking that figure last year, several of us felt that we were actually walking in the sea – the earth, just a few feet above sea level, seeming to bounce with each step – in this low-down liminal sign where the margin between earth and sea is fragile to say the least.

Rampant Goats in relation to tree of life.

This article is on the goats next to the tree of life. I do have an idea to what it describes namely capricorn, which is midheaven. Just like the Makara flank the budha’s shoulders. here the goats flank the pipal tree / fig. Astronomical reference.

Sometimes sphinx or flanked by lions in later art a reference to on top a reference perhaps to leo(summer solstice) just as the goats are a reference to winter solstice. The lions where later chosen for royalty as king of animals and the goat became the devil. Winter.

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Sumerian cylinder seal showing flanking goats with hooves on tree and/or mountain. Uruk period. (After Joyce Burstein in: Katherine Anne Harper, Robert L. Brown, 2002, The roots of tantra, SUNY Press, p.100)Hence, two goats + mountain glyph reads rebus: meḍ kundār ‘iron turner’. Leaf on mountain: kamaṛkom ‘petiole of leaf’; rebus: kampaṭṭam ‘mint’. loa = a species of fig tree, ficus glomerata, the fruit of ficus glomerata (Santali) Rebus: lo ‘iron’ (Assamese, Bengali); loa ‘iron’ (Gypsy).
Its leaves related to Homa ritual
It has been described in the story of Raja Harischandra of the Ikshvaku dynasty, that the crown was a branch of this udumbura tree, set in a circlet of gold. Additionally, the throne (simhasana) was constructed out of this wood and the royal personage would ascend it on his knee, chanting to the gods to ascend it with him, which they did so, albeit unseen. Its leaves are an indispensable part of many Hindu havans.