Why there are crabs, turtles or scarab at base of obelisks.

This post adresses the meaning of obelisks. Not a phallic symbol but the pillar of heaven.

Based on an 2016 article of
Bibhu Dev Misra where he links mount meru to the cosmic turtle and bixi turtle i started digging deeper in this particular worldly symbolism.
This fb post and blog article (links to credit below) sparked my own interest and research into this subject.
 Fb post


Yet no mention or link was made to Egyptian obelisks or the sacrada familia pillar.
This needed deeper research.
I visited rome and all obelisks there and noticed the turtle symbolism at the base in relation to carrying egyptian obelisks in Florence and the Vatican.  However not all obelisks had turtles.
The london obelisk had a seemingly unrelated bronze  khepri beetle Egyptian style ornanement at the base holding it up.
Then by coincidence i came across the New York central park one. Londons sister twin obelusk.  I thought yes turtles but again something different. Crabs.

Cleopatras needle in New York central park is held up by crabs at the base instead of turtles like the Boboli obelisk in florence.

But then i linked it all together. It was astronomy. Crab, snapping turtle and khepri is all cancer constellation

The obelisk is related to the world pillar of heaven. In pairs as they were extremities of ecliptic. Crab, snapping turtle and scarab (at base of london obelisk) are all the same old summer solstice constellation. Now crab is in winter. (makes sense to put at bottom of obelisk as tip would be mid summer now) Yet in old days khepri was mid summer. The dung beetle rolling the sun across the sky.

And That’s also why crab/cancer is at bottom of obelisk. Its opposite capricorn or makkara around the year 0. Now taurus/orion is our summer constellation and … Winter. In 6000bc khepri or cancer was the spring constellation. Egyptians call khepri Zet tepi or the first time.

The following quoted article is relevant as background knowledge in my argument.

Quote article: http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/physics/160-our-solar-system/the-earth/seasons/15-what-is-the-significance-of-the-tropic-of-cancer-tropic-of-capricorn-arctic-circle-and-antarctic-circle-beginner

“What is the significance of the Tropic of Cancer, Tropic of Capricorn, Arctic Circle and Antarctic Circle? (Beginner) The Tropic of Cancer is the circle marking the latitude 23.5 degrees north, where the sun is directly overhead at noon on June 21, the beginning of summer in the northern hemisphere. The Tropic of Capricorn is the circle marking the latitude 23.5 degrees south where the sun is directly overhead at noon on December 21, the beginning of winter in the northern hemisphere. When the lines were named 2000 years ago, the Sun was in the constellation of Capricorn during the winter solstice and Cancer during the summer solstice (hence the names). Now due to the precession of the equinoxes the Sun is no longer in these constellations during these times, but the names remain. The equator is the circle where the Sun is directly overhead at noon on the equinoxes. “







  1. London obelisk – Scarab


2. New York central park obelisk. Roman crabs.

Good article here: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/cleopatras-needle-has-crabs


Quote met museum website:

“The two bronze crabs 81.2.1 and 81.2.2) are from a set of four originally used in Roman times as supports for the broken corners of the obelisk that now stands in Central Park. Thutmose III erected the obelisk about 1443 B.C. in Heliopolis, now part of modern Cairo. It was re-inscribed by Ramesses II and later moved to Alexandria by the Romans, who inserted the crabs when they re-erected it.

The Roman crabs were replaced with newly cast substitutes in 1881 when the obelisk was moved to New York and placed in Central Park behind The Metropolitan Museum of Art. The originals were given to the Museum by Lieutenant Commander Henry H. Gorringe, who brought the obelisk to New York; the obelisk itself was a gift from Egypt to the City of New York.

The claw of 81.2.1 has an inscription in Latin on the inside and one in Greek on the outside. Both state that the Roman prefect Barbarus and the architect Pontius re-erected the obelisk in Alexandria during the eighteenth year of an emperor, probably Augustus, who also built the Temple of Dendur.

Donated to the Museum in 1881 by Lieutenant Commander Henry H. Gorringe, who brought the obelisk known as Cleopatra’s Needle to New York.”




3.Boboli obelisk Florence – turtles




4. Hindu pillar churning of milky ocean. Kurma turtle. 

Hercules(orion/taurus)  and crab story, zodiac opposites equals shiva(with cow)  and kurma. (Durga is virgo and leo) left and right sun and moon or zodiac two halves.

5. Sacrada familia Barcelona 

Again a turtle and pillar. Astronomy.

6. Bixi turtle

China has the same symbolism as well. There is it the Bixi turtle carrying world pillar. A statue is also in front of harvard university.



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